Stealing from maps is unethical

[Gambini]

A text file should have been included and credit should have been given  to the makers of the borrowed material (even though it was minimally used; for example: one of the teleporters was lifted directly from Red3  by Merlijn v. Oostrum)

Apparently you didnt learned nothing Sanek.
Are you still stealing material of other maps?

 

^ That is for you 

[Forge]

Apparently you didnt learned nothing Sanek.
Are you still stealing material of other maps?
 

Maybe he did give credit for borrowed material and I didn't get a copy with the text file included. I'll try to equivocate what was done.

Most doors open by sliding up/down or left/right. Hypothetically lets say you originally designed the first door that opens diagonally. Now I seen it and put it one of my maps. I should ask first and give proper credit. But I did not steal entire chunks of your map and call it my own.

I'm not a mapper, so I'm not as sensitive to the subject of borrowed textures, art, etc. But I'd say Sanek is maybe guilty of shop lifting, not grand theft larceny.

[Gambini]

i dont know if i did understand you well, but one thing is getting inspiration on other levels to make the yours, and another one very different is taking other maps chunks, and Sanek is an expert doing that as i know.
So, if you take a chunk of any mine map and you ask me, i will say you: sorry but not, make your own stuff, then you can ignore me and go on with that, but you?ll be stealing.

In this particular case Sanek had stolen LOT of other authors map chunks and he called they that his own. that?s why he was banned from AMC, and few days ago he said that he was sorry by that.
Then, he is taking us by idiots?
i think that yes.

[Forge]

i dont know if i did understand you well, but one thing is getting inspiration on other levels to make the yours, and another one very different is taking other maps chunks

I'm not a mapper so maybe I'm not understanding well enough to explain what I mean. Like nuclear fusion, I know it happens, just don't ask me to explain it.

I'm thinking maybe somebody else should play Red3 then Sanek's map and compare the teleporter. To me they are exactly the same, but is it stealing? To my untrained eye it's not so different as using a sprite or texture someone else made. 

[Gambini]

To my untrained eye it's not so different as using a sprite or texture someone else made.

Probably you?re right at that point, but i think that both situations are stealing, i mean, if someone release a texture pack using other author textures, and he calls it by his own.

[Forge]

Probably you?re right at that point, but i think that both situations are stealing, i mean, if someone release a texture pack using other author textures, and he calls it by his own.

I agree. The teleporter used in Red3 is unique. I've not seen it in another map until Sanek's Artic Meltdown 2. The copy of Artic Meltdown 2 that I got from "russian maps releases" didn't include a text file so I can't say if Sanek did or did not give credit for using it.

Quote from Merlijn v. Oostrum's Red3 text file: "You may NOT copy things from my maps"...."Another thing: if you USE any idea for your own maps, you should at
at least credit me. Otherwise you're pissing me of  >("

[Captain Awesome]

[Numan]

i dont know if i did understand you well, but one thing is getting inspiration on other levels to make the yours, and another one very different is taking other maps chunks, and Sanek is an expert doing that as i know.
So, if you take a chunk of any mine map and you ask me, i will say you: sorry but not, make your own stuff, then you can ignore me and go on with that, but you?ll be stealing.

In this particular case Sanek had stolen LOT of other authors map chunks and he called they that his own. that?s why he was banned from AMC, and few days ago he said that he was sorry by that.
Then, he is taking us by idiots?
i think that yes.

You're right so when are you guys start ignoring him?
Almost everything I read on this forum has to do with him.
If someone is stealing maps or any kind of parts from other authors he doesn't deserve any kind of attention is my opinion...

[Forge]

I think you may be selling Sanek short. Play the map and then make a determination.

I tried to be as subtle as possible but I guess I have to come right out and say it:

Sanek, I would suggest you post the text file for your map Artic Meltdown 2. At the end of the text it would probably be a good idea to say something like; "I would like to give credit to and thank Oostrum, Sandt,  Averill, whoever,etc...for providing inspiration and the use of......"

...and fix your map...all the broke stuff after the teleporter where the yellow key card is surrounded by the candles. It was a pretty decent play until then, even with the lack of detailing.

[Gambini]

but Forge! dont you understand? he is not a mapper he is a robber that dont know to do a decent map. he stolen LOT of map chunks before and never said nothing about that since someone discovered his hoak.

in my opinion Sanek must leave all duke forums FOREVER, he havent ethic values, based in that we know about him.

[Forge]

I understand your point of view. My point of view is that you should look at the map first before you make a judgment on what one person says.

Maybe I followed Sanek from AMC and I'm here to ruin his reputation. 

Not really. But a person shouldn't be assumed guilty because he has a bad past.

[Nukey]

Sanek is just a kid. He's done a lot of stupid things, and probably will continue to do a lot of stupid things. But one day he will grow up... to be a little taller...

I forgot where I was going with this.

[Gambini]

So? he uploaded the txt file yesterday i think, and he KNOWING how the things are here, fun off us not saying nothing about the chunk robbed.

I forgot where I was going with this.

  LOL

@Forge: where you downloaded that map? i can?t find it.

[Numan]

I think you may be selling Sanek short. Play the map and then make a determination.

I tried to be as subtle as possible but I guess I have to come right out and say it:

Sanek, I would suggest you post the text file for your map Artic Meltdown 2. At the end of the text it would probably be a good idea to say something like; "I would like to give credit to and thank Oostrum, Sandt,  Averill, whoever,etc...for providing inspiration and the use of......"

...and fix your map...all the broke stuff after the teleporter where the yellow key card is surrounded by the candles. It was a pretty decent play until then, even with the lack of detailing.

You really think that Sanek will reply to this?
Just read back and you will see that he never did anything with good advice,
I don't say here that he is a bad kid but I just think he don't understand what we're saying here so it's all useless.
Just let him be and stop the well meant advices folks, it's a waste of energy...

[Gambini]

Sanek is just a kid

Can you believe that he is saying the true when he says that is a kid?
maybe he is not a kid, maybe he is not russian, maybe he is faking a bad english when in really he knows english well, i dont know, i just not trust on nothing that he says.